Comments for The Pedestrian 08 Campaign http://pedestrian08.org Responsible drinking ends at 08 Mon, 02 Nov 2009 21:52:23 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 Comment on World renowned expert backs efficacy of 08 limit by Tony Porter http://pedestrian08.org/2009/10/30/world-renowned-expert-backs-efficacy-of-08-limit/#comment-179 Tony Porter Mon, 02 Nov 2009 21:52:23 +0000 http://pedestrian08.org/?p=523#comment-179 As the only Australian Breath Analyser manufacturer that began in 1985, we certainly endorse this innovation. An 08 control for pedestrians would have a huge impact on the increasing scourge that dominates the week end public domain in city areas. As the only Australian Breath Analyser manufacturer that began in 1985, we certainly endorse this innovation.

An 08 control for pedestrians would have a huge impact on the increasing scourge that dominates the week end public domain in city areas.

]]> Comment on 1. Pedestrian safety by pedestrian08 http://pedestrian08.org/about/pedestrian-safety/#comment-169 pedestrian08 Tue, 20 Oct 2009 09:36:03 +0000 http://pedestrian08.org/?page_id=326#comment-169 Thank you Lucy. We have a Violence (law and order) issue linked to a series of Health (eg cancers,cirrhosis) as well as Pedestrian (road safety) issues with one common cause - Big Liquor promoted Binge Drinking. All reading of this issue, plus the propensity of politicians to avoid taking advice, points to this 'epidemic' becoming much worse. From an educational standpoint, the focus on Violence needs to springboard to a discussion of what binge drinking means to Health, Pedestrian safety - our overall quality of life... Thank you Lucy.
We have a Violence (law and order) issue linked to a series of Health (eg cancers,cirrhosis) as well as Pedestrian (road safety) issues with one common cause – Big Liquor promoted Binge Drinking.
All reading of this issue, plus the propensity of politicians to avoid taking advice, points to this ‘epidemic’ becoming much worse.
From an educational standpoint, the focus on Violence needs to springboard to a discussion of what binge drinking means to Health, Pedestrian safety – our overall quality of life…

]]> Comment on 1. Pedestrian safety by Lucy http://pedestrian08.org/about/pedestrian-safety/#comment-168 Lucy Tue, 20 Oct 2009 08:40:19 +0000 http://pedestrian08.org/?page_id=326#comment-168 Hi, I have come across the info whilst helping my 15yo son prepare for an english talk on Violence in Melbourne. I think its great you are getting the word out Hi,
I have come across the info whilst helping my 15yo son prepare for an english talk on Violence in Melbourne. I think its great you are getting the word out

]]> Comment on Pedestrian 08 Campaign by pedestrian08 http://pedestrian08.org#comment-113 pedestrian08 Tue, 22 Sep 2009 09:17:24 +0000 #comment-113 David, thanks for your comments. You are absolutely correct. You understand what we need and can see it happening. There are other people besides myself working for and inspiring <em>The Pedestrian 08 Campaign</em>. You have just joined the list! Please keep in touch. David, thanks for your comments. You are absolutely correct.
You understand what we need and can see it happening.
There are other people besides myself working for and inspiring The Pedestrian 08 Campaign.
You have just joined the list!
Please keep in touch.

]]> Comment on Pedestrian 08 Campaign by david (Wollongong) http://pedestrian08.org#comment-109 david (Wollongong) Mon, 21 Sep 2009 22:45:54 +0000 #comment-109 Mike, good on you, you are going for a cultural change and isn't the language getting rough. It is convenient to have issues and inconvenient to have solutions. Why is that? Do your respondents know? It reminds me of the venom aimed at the pioneers of RBT in NSW in the eighties. Check this link out. http://www.rbt.com.au/rbt-articles/1992/10/17/how-rbt-changed-our-lives/ It is extraordinary. The Road toll at the time was 1300 approx which was then halved and stayed that way ever since. The implementation did not mean that police had to be on every street. They worked and reworked the hot spots and look what has been achieved. The key point being that RBT turned a policy, specifically a message, into one that was effective. By setting a limit, promoting it, then efficiently enforcing it, does the trick. No reason why a similiar result can't occur with Pedestrian08. Keep up your good work. David (Wollongong) Mike, good on you, you are going for a cultural change and isn’t the language getting rough. It is convenient to have issues and inconvenient to have solutions. Why is that? Do your respondents know? It reminds me of the venom aimed at the pioneers of RBT in NSW in the eighties. Check this link out.

http://www.rbt.com.au/rbt-articles/1992/10/17/how-rbt-changed-our-lives/

It is extraordinary. The Road toll at the time was 1300 approx which was then halved and stayed that way ever since. The implementation did not mean that police had to be on every street.

They worked and reworked the hot spots and look what has been achieved.

The key point being that RBT turned a policy, specifically a message, into one that was effective.

By setting a limit, promoting it, then efficiently enforcing it, does the trick.

No reason why a similiar result can’t occur with Pedestrian08.

Keep up your good work.

David (Wollongong)

]]> Comment on 3. Binge drinking by pedestrian08 http://pedestrian08.org/about/binge-drinking/#comment-104 pedestrian08 Sun, 20 Sep 2009 11:10:29 +0000 http://pedestrian08.org/?page_id=333#comment-104 Answered on a previous page. Answered on a previous page.

]]> Comment on 1. Pedestrian safety by pedestrian08 http://pedestrian08.org/about/pedestrian-safety/#comment-103 pedestrian08 Sun, 20 Sep 2009 11:02:50 +0000 http://pedestrian08.org/?page_id=326#comment-103 Wyn, your question indicates you havent done any research whatsoever. This from a reference on the front page of the website: <blockquote>Alcohol impairs judgement and slows reflexes, making safe decisions about crossing roads difficult. Over 30% of pedestrians killed have a Blood Alcohol Concentration (BAC) level above .05 with the majority being more than three times the legal limit for driving. </blockquote> Wyn, your question indicates you havent done any research whatsoever. This from a reference on the front page of the website:

Alcohol impairs judgement and slows reflexes, making safe decisions about crossing roads difficult. Over 30% of pedestrians killed have a Blood Alcohol Concentration (BAC) level above .05 with the majority being more than three times the legal limit for driving.

]]> Comment on Hospital Accident and Emergency, and Ambulance by pedestrian08 http://pedestrian08.org/what-can-i-do/how-will-08-affect/how-will-008-affect-hospital-ae-and-ambulance/#comment-101 pedestrian08 Sun, 20 Sep 2009 10:52:51 +0000 http://pedestrian08.wordpress.com/?page_id=49#comment-101 Violence is totally unacceptable Wyn, but read around the site. You'll see references to the physcoactive nature of the drug, that changes normal behaviour. It only takes a second Wyn. And only one punch, and although you may have had an unblemished record, you're up on a manslaughter charge. So, dissing all the research in this area with 'Whether a person has been drinking or not is largely irrelevant' is just ignorant Wyn. On your ideas of reorganising triage at our hospitals, you should contact them and see if they are interested. Violence is totally unacceptable Wyn, but read around the site. You’ll see references to the physcoactive nature of the drug, that changes normal behaviour. It only takes a second Wyn. And only one punch, and although you may have had an unblemished record, you’re up on a manslaughter charge. So, dissing all the research in this area with ‘Whether a person has been drinking or not is largely irrelevant’ is just ignorant Wyn. On your ideas of reorganising triage at our hospitals, you should contact them and see if they are interested.

]]> Comment on Motorists by pedestrian08 http://pedestrian08.org/what-can-i-do/how-will-08-affect/how-will-08-affect-motorists/#comment-100 pedestrian08 Sun, 20 Sep 2009 10:48:29 +0000 http://pedestrian08.wordpress.com/?page_id=58#comment-100 Good point Wyn. Whoever is to blame for a pedestrian getting killed - the driver or the pedestrian - many people of consience <em>feel </em>responsible Wyn. That's where the damage often comes in. People who unintentional kill pedestrians through no proven fault of their own, can need counselling to 'get over it' Wyn. It happens. Good point Wyn. Whoever is to blame for a pedestrian getting killed – the driver or the pedestrian – many people of consience feel responsible Wyn. That’s where the damage often comes in. People who unintentional kill pedestrians through no proven fault of their own, can need counselling to ‘get over it’ Wyn. It happens.

]]> Comment on Venezuela, war-porn and alcohol related violence by pedestrian08 http://pedestrian08.org/2009/08/28/venezuela-war-porn-and-alcohol-related-violence/#comment-99 pedestrian08 Sun, 20 Sep 2009 10:45:06 +0000 http://pedestrian08.org/?p=264#comment-99 Wyn, apologies for the delay in responding. Firstly we should all be concerned about your admitted level of binge drinking. I hope you take the first available opportunity reflect on it – in the light of the National Health and Medical Research Council’s guidelines on what constitutes a ‘safe’ level of alcohol consumption. According to their research, you appear to be a prime candidate for accidental death, violence, injury, and massive longer term health problems, including cancer, from your current level of binge drinking. <!--more--> But back to your problem with The Pedestrian 08 Law: Nothing in a Pedestrian 08 Law would restrain you from getting as drunk as you want as often as you want... The main difference is we recognise that you are unsafe on the street at a BAC of 08(+)! So to preserve our overstretched hospitals, police and taxpayers, the Pedestrian 08 Law is targeted at keeping you off the streets during one of your binges. Pooh-poohing the Games Industry / Hollywood conditioning argument is a bit lame. Up against cited facts and government level policy reactions, you speak of whether 'you' have reacted to violent video games and Snow White? Why are we continuing the trend for over the top violence? (As noted repeatedly by our Chief Commissioner) Well, do some research and you may come to some kind of intelligent, well argued contribution. You have nothing to offer at the moment. Your own personal experience is just that. One person’s limited experience. On you relating The Pedestrian 08 Law to some kind of Stalinist (extreme left) – Nazi (extreme right) – Venezuelan – very confused thinking – consider this: If you drive a car, recall how often in day to day driving you are pulled over and breath tested? I find this happens to me maybe once per year, sometimes twice. Psychologically, the average driver feels as if it is going to happen to them more often because of the omnipresent advertising campaign. You get it in all media and forms part of your driving mindset. This is how pedestrian 08 will work. Mostly advertising and promotion, and the occasional punter stopped, breath tested and busted. The behaviour change we are after is to get you to think specifically about your drinking - before you drink. The prospect of breaking a law for which there are consequences, gives you reason and motivation to think. Because of the omnipresent feeling that you could be busted over 08, added to the very occasional but really important reinforcement provided by a maybe once/twice a year random breath test, you will be motivated to plan how many of whatever drink(s) will keep you under 08. You will be motivated to plan to walk out of any club or pub under a maximum BAC of 08. This is a Think Before You Drink style campaign, that actually has the ability to work! (Our definition of success being a positive change of behaviour on a mass scale) There’s nothing totalitarian, extreme, punishing, Stalinist or Nazi about The Pedestrian 08 Campaign. Wyn, apologies for the delay in responding.
Firstly we should all be concerned about your admitted level of binge drinking.
I hope you take the first available opportunity reflect on it – in the light of the National Health and Medical Research Council’s guidelines on what constitutes a ‘safe’ level of alcohol consumption.
According to their research, you appear to be a prime candidate for accidental death, violence, injury, and massive longer term health problems, including cancer, from your current level of binge drinking.
But back to your problem with The Pedestrian 08 Law:
Nothing in a Pedestrian 08 Law would restrain you from getting as drunk as you want as often as you want…
The main difference is we recognise that you are unsafe on the street at a BAC of 08(+)! So to preserve our overstretched hospitals, police and taxpayers, the Pedestrian 08 Law is targeted at keeping you off the streets during one of your binges.
Pooh-poohing the Games Industry / Hollywood conditioning argument is a bit lame. Up against cited facts and government level policy reactions, you speak of whether ‘you’ have reacted to violent video games and Snow White?
Why are we continuing the trend for over the top violence? (As noted repeatedly by our Chief Commissioner) Well, do some research and you may come to some kind of intelligent, well argued contribution. You have nothing to offer at the moment. Your own personal experience is just that. One person’s limited experience.
On you relating The Pedestrian 08 Law to some kind of Stalinist (extreme left) – Nazi (extreme right) – Venezuelan – very confused thinking – consider this:
If you drive a car, recall how often in day to day driving you are pulled over and breath tested? I find this happens to me maybe once per year, sometimes twice.
Psychologically, the average driver feels as if it is going to happen to them more often because of the omnipresent advertising campaign. You get it in all media and forms part of your driving mindset.
This is how pedestrian 08 will work. Mostly advertising and promotion, and the occasional punter stopped, breath tested and busted.
The behaviour change we are after is to get you to think specifically about your drinking – before you drink. The prospect of breaking a law for which there are consequences, gives you reason and motivation to think. Because of the omnipresent feeling that you could be busted over 08, added to the very occasional but really important reinforcement provided by a maybe once/twice a year random breath test, you will be motivated to plan how many of whatever drink(s) will keep you under 08. You will be motivated to plan to walk out of any club or pub under a maximum BAC of 08. This is a Think Before You Drink style campaign, that actually has the ability to work! (Our definition of success being a positive change of behaviour on a mass scale)
There’s nothing totalitarian, extreme, punishing, Stalinist or Nazi about The Pedestrian 08 Campaign.

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